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[groovy-dev] [ANN] Groovy is looking for a new home
Guillaume Laforge
2015-01-19 10:02:05 UTC
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Hi all,


Pivotal just announced it’s decision to stop sponsoring and funding the
development of the popular Groovy and Grails Open Source projects
<http://blog.pivotal.io/pivotal/news-2/groovy-2-4-and-grails-3-0-to-be-last-major-releases-under-pivotal-sponsorship>.
As a result, both Groovy and Grails are looking for new sponsors willing to
further help develop the projects full steam!

The Groovy programming language <http://groovy-lang.org> has been around
for a while for more than 11 years. During that time, it has nicely evolved
from a side hobby project to the very mature and successful alternative
language it is today, used by Fortune 500 companies throughout the world,
in various projects and contexts.

With 1.7 million downloads in 2012, 3 million in 2013, and well over 4
million in 2014 (definitive numbers still need to be calculated), Groovy is
leading the pack of the JVM language ecosystem, and continues seeing
positive growth.

There are many ideas the Groovy team wants to develop further, features we
want to bring to life, improvements we want to make, to keep Groovy always
ahead of the curve, to help you developers be productive on the JVM
platform. For that, we’ve been thankful for having had a handful of us able
to work full time on the project, and we’re looking forward continuing to
do so under a new umbrella.

The Groovy community has always been a key driver for the language,
providing feedback, bug reports, contributions big and small, and we hope
that you will help us find a solution to make Groovy shine as bright as
ever.

Of course, we’re going to continue to develop Groovy, open it to new
horizons like we did for the Android platform, implement new features, fix
bugs, increase performance, complete the new documentation, launch the new
website, and more. Your contributions will obviously be more than welcome
to sustain the project’s pace. We’re looking forward to working with you
all to push Groovy forward!

If your company is interested in discussing funding of the project, and
employing members of the Groovy team, please don’t hesitate to contact us
directly (***@groovy-lang.org). Thanks in advance for your help,
and keep on groovy’ing!
--
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Groovy Project Manager
Pivotal, Inc.

Blog: http://glaforge.appspot.com/
Social: @glaforge <http://twitter.com/glaforge> / Google+
<https://plus.google.com/u/0/114130972232398734985/posts>
jim northrop
2015-01-19 10:07:30 UTC
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when i win the lottery i'm going to buy the whole lot of you :-)
Post by Guillaume Laforge
Hi all,
Pivotal just announced it’s decision to stop sponsoring and funding the
development of the popular Groovy and Grails Open Source projects
<http://blog.pivotal.io/pivotal/news-2/groovy-2-4-and-grails-3-0-to-be-last-major-releases-under-pivotal-sponsorship>.
As a result, both Groovy and Grails are looking for new sponsors willing to
further help develop the projects full steam!
The Groovy programming language <http://groovy-lang.org> has been around
for a while for more than 11 years. During that time, it has nicely evolved
from a side hobby project to the very mature and successful alternative
language it is today, used by Fortune 500 companies throughout the world,
in various projects and contexts.
With 1.7 million downloads in 2012, 3 million in 2013, and well over 4
million in 2014 (definitive numbers still need to be calculated), Groovy is
leading the pack of the JVM language ecosystem, and continues seeing
positive growth.
There are many ideas the Groovy team wants to develop further, features we
want to bring to life, improvements we want to make, to keep Groovy always
ahead of the curve, to help you developers be productive on the JVM
platform. For that, we’ve been thankful for having had a handful of us able
to work full time on the project, and we’re looking forward continuing to
do so under a new umbrella.
The Groovy community has always been a key driver for the language,
providing feedback, bug reports, contributions big and small, and we hope
that you will help us find a solution to make Groovy shine as bright as
ever.
Of course, we’re going to continue to develop Groovy, open it to new
horizons like we did for the Android platform, implement new features, fix
bugs, increase performance, complete the new documentation, launch the new
website, and more. Your contributions will obviously be more than welcome
to sustain the project’s pace. We’re looking forward to working with you
all to push Groovy forward!
If your company is interested in discussing funding of the project, and
employing members of the Groovy team, please don’t hesitate to contact us
and keep on groovy’ing!
--
Guillaume Laforge
Groovy Project Manager
Pivotal, Inc.
Blog: http://glaforge.appspot.com/
<https://plus.google.com/u/0/114130972232398734985/posts>
Sergei Egorov
2015-01-19 10:15:15 UTC
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O_O

Good luck, guys! I hope world will not leave such a good project as orphan

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 12:07 PM, jim northrop <
Post by jim northrop
when i win the lottery i'm going to buy the whole lot of you :-)
Post by Guillaume Laforge
Hi all,
Pivotal just announced it’s decision to stop sponsoring and funding the
development of the popular Groovy and Grails Open Source projects
<http://blog.pivotal.io/pivotal/news-2/groovy-2-4-and-grails-3-0-to-be-last-major-releases-under-pivotal-sponsorship>.
As a result, both Groovy and Grails are looking for new sponsors willing to
further help develop the projects full steam!
The Groovy programming language <http://groovy-lang.org> has been around
for a while for more than 11 years. During that time, it has nicely evolved
from a side hobby project to the very mature and successful alternative
language it is today, used by Fortune 500 companies throughout the world,
in various projects and contexts.
With 1.7 million downloads in 2012, 3 million in 2013, and well over 4
million in 2014 (definitive numbers still need to be calculated), Groovy is
leading the pack of the JVM language ecosystem, and continues seeing
positive growth.
There are many ideas the Groovy team wants to develop further, features
we want to bring to life, improvements we want to make, to keep Groovy
always ahead of the curve, to help you developers be productive on the JVM
platform. For that, we’ve been thankful for having had a handful of us able
to work full time on the project, and we’re looking forward continuing to
do so under a new umbrella.
The Groovy community has always been a key driver for the language,
providing feedback, bug reports, contributions big and small, and we hope
that you will help us find a solution to make Groovy shine as bright as
ever.
Of course, we’re going to continue to develop Groovy, open it to new
horizons like we did for the Android platform, implement new features, fix
bugs, increase performance, complete the new documentation, launch the new
website, and more. Your contributions will obviously be more than welcome
to sustain the project’s pace. We’re looking forward to working with you
all to push Groovy forward!
If your company is interested in discussing funding of the project, and
employing members of the Groovy team, please don’t hesitate to contact us
and keep on groovy’ing!
--
Guillaume Laforge
Groovy Project Manager
Pivotal, Inc.
Blog: http://glaforge.appspot.com/
<https://plus.google.com/u/0/114130972232398734985/posts>
--
Best regards,
Sergei Egorov
Dylan Cali
2015-01-19 10:33:21 UTC
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Really sad and disappointed to see this.

"The decision to conclude its sponsorship of Groovy and Grails is part
of Pivotal’s larger strategy to concentrate resources on accelerating
both commercial and open source projects that support its growing
traction in Platform-as-a-Service, Data, and Agile development."

I'm surprised Groovy didn't at least fit into their 'Agile
development' category.

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Henrique Lobo Weissmann
2015-01-19 10:37:20 UTC
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Actually, it's no surprise for me.

I tried to contact Pivotal these seven years SEVERAL times. Sometimes I've
tried to do this weekly.
Never got a response, never.

And here are some of the things I made:

* Grails Brasil - the largest Groovy and Grails community in registered
members. http://www.grailsbrasil.com.br (almost 2100 by now)
* My blog - http://devkico.itexto.com.br - (http://devkico.itexto.com.br/en
english version)
* The "Semana Groovy" newsletter
* Several trainings around Brazil

It's a large community, and I never got a single answer when trying to
reach for any kind of partnership.

Well, now I sent you an e-mail (the Groovy and Grails team) looking for
partnership. Can we try something now here in Brazil where there's a HUGE
marketing that I'm telling you about for years?
Post by Dylan Cali
Really sad and disappointed to see this.
"The decision to conclude its sponsorship of Groovy and Grails is part
of Pivotal’s larger strategy to concentrate resources on accelerating
both commercial and open source projects that support its growing
traction in Platform-as-a-Service, Data, and Agile development."
I'm surprised Groovy didn't at least fit into their 'Agile
development' category.
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Jochen Theodorou
2015-01-19 11:26:42 UTC
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Post by Dylan Cali
Really sad and disappointed to see this.
"The decision to conclude its sponsorship of Groovy and Grails is part
of Pivotal’s larger strategy to concentrate resources on accelerating
both commercial and open source projects that support its growing
traction in Platform-as-a-Service, Data, and Agile development."
I'm surprised Groovy didn't at least fit into their 'Agile
development' category.
I could now go and spread rumors like that Pivotals idea of agile is far
off what others think of that. But that would be me spreading rumors,
and I don't usually like doing that. So... go ask Pivotal. If they are
agil enough they should be able to answer this swiftly ;)

bye blackdrag
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Jorge Franco
2015-01-19 11:41:27 UTC
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What do other languages do?
Create a company around the language and get money on support?

If every company that uses groovy pays symbolic 1000$ / year,.....

Sure there are more options! Sad day, but sure the beginning of a better
Groovy!
Post by Jochen Theodorou
Post by Dylan Cali
Really sad and disappointed to see this.
"The decision to conclude its sponsorship of Groovy and Grails is part
of Pivotal’s larger strategy to concentrate resources on accelerating
both commercial and open source projects that support its growing
traction in Platform-as-a-Service, Data, and Agile development."
I'm surprised Groovy didn't at least fit into their 'Agile
development' category.
I could now go and spread rumors like that Pivotals idea of agile is far
off what others think of that. But that would be me spreading rumors, and I
don't usually like doing that. So... go ask Pivotal. If they are agil
enough they should be able to answer this swiftly ;)
bye blackdrag
--
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german groovy discussion newsgroup: de.comp.lang.misc
For Groovy programming sources visit http://groovy-lang.org
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Vladimír Oraný
2015-01-19 12:30:56 UTC
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well, at that case would be fair to forward the existing contract Pivotal
has for Groovy & Grails support to that company.
Post by Jorge Franco
What do other languages do?
Create a company around the language and get money on support?
If every company that uses groovy pays symbolic 1000$ / year,.....
Sure there are more options! Sad day, but sure the beginning of a better
Groovy!
Post by Jochen Theodorou
Post by Dylan Cali
Really sad and disappointed to see this.
"The decision to conclude its sponsorship of Groovy and Grails is part
of Pivotal’s larger strategy to concentrate resources on accelerating
both commercial and open source projects that support its growing
traction in Platform-as-a-Service, Data, and Agile development."
I'm surprised Groovy didn't at least fit into their 'Agile
development' category.
I could now go and spread rumors like that Pivotals idea of agile is far
off what others think of that. But that would be me spreading rumors, and I
don't usually like doing that. So... go ask Pivotal. If they are agil
enough they should be able to answer this swiftly ;)
bye blackdrag
--
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blog: http://blackdragsview.blogspot.com/
german groovy discussion newsgroup: de.comp.lang.misc
For Groovy programming sources visit http://groovy-lang.org
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Jochen Theodorou
2015-01-19 13:42:44 UTC
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The language itself rarely sells, especially not if it is free OSS. What
sells is usually training, project work, support, but best is an actual
product that involves the language. I mean even in the case of Java, it
is not really Java making the money, it is the JVM and the products
centered around it.

If indeed every company that uses groovy would pay a symbolic 1000$ per
year, we could probably make some kind of Groovy Foundation and continue
through that.


bye blackdrag
Post by Jorge Franco
What do other languages do?
Create a company around the language and get money on support?
If every company that uses groovy pays symbolic 1000$ / year,.....
Sure there are more options! Sad day, but sure the beginning of a better
Groovy!
Really sad and disappointed to see this.
"The decision to conclude its sponsorship of Groovy and Grails is part
of Pivotal’s larger strategy to concentrate resources on accelerating
both commercial and open source projects that support its growing
traction in Platform-as-a-Service, Data, and Agile development."
I'm surprised Groovy didn't at least fit into their 'Agile
development' category.
I could now go and spread rumors like that Pivotals idea of agile is
far off what others think of that. But that would be me spreading
rumors, and I don't usually like doing that. So... go ask Pivotal.
If they are agil enough they should be able to answer this swiftly ;)
bye blackdrag
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For Groovy programming sources visit http://groovy-lang.org
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Mark Fortner
2015-01-19 15:23:03 UTC
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It sounds like Pivotal really dropped the ball this time. Had Pivotal done
this properly, they could have spun off the business and sold it to someone
else. But maybe it's an opportunity in disguise. Have you guys thought of
starting (or perhaps restarting) a services business around Groovy and
Grails?

Regards,

Mark Fortner
Post by Jochen Theodorou
The language itself rarely sells, especially not if it is free OSS. What
sells is usually training, project work, support, but best is an actual
product that involves the language. I mean even in the case of Java, it is
not really Java making the money, it is the JVM and the products centered
around it.
If indeed every company that uses groovy would pay a symbolic 1000$ per
year, we could probably make some kind of Groovy Foundation and continue
through that.
bye blackdrag
Post by Jorge Franco
What do other languages do?
Create a company around the language and get money on support?
If every company that uses groovy pays symbolic 1000$ / year,.....
Sure there are more options! Sad day, but sure the beginning of a better
Groovy!
Really sad and disappointed to see this.
"The decision to conclude its sponsorship of Groovy and Grails is part
of Pivotal’s larger strategy to concentrate resources on
accelerating
both commercial and open source projects that support its growing
traction in Platform-as-a-Service, Data, and Agile development."
I'm surprised Groovy didn't at least fit into their 'Agile
development' category.
I could now go and spread rumors like that Pivotals idea of agile is
far off what others think of that. But that would be me spreading
rumors, and I don't usually like doing that. So... go ask Pivotal.
If they are agil enough they should be able to answer this swiftly ;)
bye blackdrag
--
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<http://blackdragsview.blogspot.com/>
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For Groovy programming sources visit http://groovy-lang.org
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Guillaume Laforge
2015-01-19 15:38:27 UTC
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Hi Mark,

Of course it's one of the options. That's how we've started after all!
(with G2One, back in the day)
The downside with the approach though is having less time to devote to
Groovy and Grails as we'd spend more time on consulting, training, etc. So
that's why we'd favor a company to take over the teams so we can continue
our R&D work "as usual".

Guillaume
Post by Mark Fortner
It sounds like Pivotal really dropped the ball this time. Had Pivotal done
this properly, they could have spun off the business and sold it to someone
else. But maybe it's an opportunity in disguise. Have you guys thought of
starting (or perhaps restarting) a services business around Groovy and
Grails?
Regards,
Mark Fortner
Post by Jochen Theodorou
The language itself rarely sells, especially not if it is free OSS. What
sells is usually training, project work, support, but best is an actual
product that involves the language. I mean even in the case of Java, it is
not really Java making the money, it is the JVM and the products centered
around it.
If indeed every company that uses groovy would pay a symbolic 1000$ per
year, we could probably make some kind of Groovy Foundation and continue
through that.
bye blackdrag
Post by Jorge Franco
What do other languages do?
Create a company around the language and get money on support?
If every company that uses groovy pays symbolic 1000$ / year,.....
Sure there are more options! Sad day, but sure the beginning of a better
Groovy!
Really sad and disappointed to see this.
"The decision to conclude its sponsorship of Groovy and Grails is part
of Pivotal’s larger strategy to concentrate resources on
accelerating
both commercial and open source projects that support its growing
traction in Platform-as-a-Service, Data, and Agile development."
I'm surprised Groovy didn't at least fit into their 'Agile
development' category.
I could now go and spread rumors like that Pivotals idea of agile is
far off what others think of that. But that would be me spreading
rumors, and I don't usually like doing that. So... go ask Pivotal.
If they are agil enough they should be able to answer this swiftly ;)
bye blackdrag
--
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blog: http://blackdragsview.__blogspot.com/
<http://blackdragsview.blogspot.com/>
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Alvaro Sanchez-Mariscal
2015-01-19 16:01:04 UTC
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This new "G2Two, Inc" could follow the same model as Gradleware. I guess
they have both committers and consultants.

But that obviously requires clients, which leads to the next question: how
is Pivotal planning to keep offering support if they are dropping the team?
As someone said on Twitter, they should transfer the remaining contracts on
a pro-rata basis to this new company.
Post by Guillaume Laforge
Hi Mark,
Of course it's one of the options. That's how we've started after all!
(with G2One, back in the day)
The downside with the approach though is having less time to devote to
Groovy and Grails as we'd spend more time on consulting, training, etc. So
that's why we'd favor a company to take over the teams so we can continue
our R&D work "as usual".
Guillaume
Post by Mark Fortner
It sounds like Pivotal really dropped the ball this time. Had Pivotal
done this properly, they could have spun off the business and sold it to
someone else. But maybe it's an opportunity in disguise. Have you guys
thought of starting (or perhaps restarting) a services business around
Groovy and Grails?
Regards,
Mark Fortner
Post by Jochen Theodorou
The language itself rarely sells, especially not if it is free OSS. What
sells is usually training, project work, support, but best is an actual
product that involves the language. I mean even in the case of Java, it is
not really Java making the money, it is the JVM and the products centered
around it.
If indeed every company that uses groovy would pay a symbolic 1000$ per
year, we could probably make some kind of Groovy Foundation and continue
through that.
bye blackdrag
Post by Jorge Franco
What do other languages do?
Create a company around the language and get money on support?
If every company that uses groovy pays symbolic 1000$ / year,.....
Sure there are more options! Sad day, but sure the beginning of a better
Groovy!
Really sad and disappointed to see this.
"The decision to conclude its sponsorship of Groovy and Grails
is part
of Pivotal’s larger strategy to concentrate resources on
accelerating
both commercial and open source projects that support its growing
traction in Platform-as-a-Service, Data, and Agile development."
I'm surprised Groovy didn't at least fit into their 'Agile
development' category.
I could now go and spread rumors like that Pivotals idea of agile is
far off what others think of that. But that would be me spreading
rumors, and I don't usually like doing that. So... go ask Pivotal.
If they are agil enough they should be able to answer this swiftly ;)
bye blackdrag
--
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blog: http://blackdragsview.__blogspot.com/
<http://blackdragsview.blogspot.com/>
german groovy discussion newsgroup: de.comp.lang.misc
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Jochen Theodorou
2015-01-19 16:31:42 UTC
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Post by Alvaro Sanchez-Mariscal
This new "G2Two, Inc" could follow the same model as Gradleware. I guess
they have both committers and consultants.
One thing is sure, we want to keep committers.
Post by Alvaro Sanchez-Mariscal
how is Pivotal planning to keep offering support if they are dropping
the team?
They never asked us in things that regard support, why should they now?
Post by Alvaro Sanchez-Mariscal
As someone said on Twitter, they should transfer the remaining
contracts on a pro-rata basis to this new company.
I am sure they would do that if we ask them to and if it is exclusively
G&G (maybe even if it is Spring too). But Pivotal does not offer that
kind of contract at all.

Plus there is the issue of location. Surely Jeff can go around in the US
doing support work. But none of the Europeans can do that easily (VISA
issues and such). And there is not only Europe and Northern America.

It would not be enough to just have the contract, you need a net of
people in the right locations... or support partners, that do the work
in your name instead.

bye blackdrag
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Vladimír Oraný
2015-01-19 19:05:37 UTC
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Sounds like a G&G franchise network which sounds good. Who's in? :-)
Post by Jochen Theodorou
Post by Alvaro Sanchez-Mariscal
This new "G2Two, Inc" could follow the same model as Gradleware. I guess
they have both committers and consultants.
One thing is sure, we want to keep committers.
Post by Alvaro Sanchez-Mariscal
how is Pivotal planning to keep offering support if they are dropping
the team?
They never asked us in things that regard support, why should they now?
Post by Alvaro Sanchez-Mariscal
As someone said on Twitter, they should transfer the remaining
contracts on a pro-rata basis to this new company.
I am sure they would do that if we ask them to and if it is exclusively
G&G (maybe even if it is Spring too). But Pivotal does not offer that
kind of contract at all.
Plus there is the issue of location. Surely Jeff can go around in the US
doing support work. But none of the Europeans can do that easily (VISA
issues and such). And there is not only Europe and Northern America.
It would not be enough to just have the contract, you need a net of
people in the right locations... or support partners, that do the work
in your name instead.
bye blackdrag
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Henrique Lobo Weissmann
2015-01-19 19:22:20 UTC
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I'm completely in!
Post by Vladimír Oraný
Sounds like a G&G franchise network which sounds good. Who's in? :-)
Post by Jochen Theodorou
Post by Alvaro Sanchez-Mariscal
This new "G2Two, Inc" could follow the same model as Gradleware. I guess
they have both committers and consultants.
One thing is sure, we want to keep committers.
Post by Alvaro Sanchez-Mariscal
how is Pivotal planning to keep offering support if they are dropping
the team?
They never asked us in things that regard support, why should they now?
Post by Alvaro Sanchez-Mariscal
As someone said on Twitter, they should transfer the remaining
contracts on a pro-rata basis to this new company.
I am sure they would do that if we ask them to and if it is exclusively
G&G (maybe even if it is Spring too). But Pivotal does not offer that
kind of contract at all.
Plus there is the issue of location. Surely Jeff can go around in the US
doing support work. But none of the Europeans can do that easily (VISA
issues and such). And there is not only Europe and Northern America.
It would not be enough to just have the contract, you need a net of
people in the right locations... or support partners, that do the work
in your name instead.
bye blackdrag
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Tajul Islam
2015-01-19 11:55:15 UTC
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Man, That's a Horrible news,

We have about 11 projects in live since 2010. I am surely try schedule with
few companies to manage findings. Any idea of yearly cost?

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Post by Guillaume Laforge
Hi all,
Pivotal just announced it’s decision to stop sponsoring and funding the
development of the popular Groovy and Grails Open Source projects
<http://blog.pivotal.io/pivotal/news-2/groovy-2-4-and-grails-3-0-to-be-last-major-releases-under-pivotal-sponsorship>.
As a result, both Groovy and Grails are looking for new sponsors willing to
further help develop the projects full steam!
The Groovy programming language <http://groovy-lang.org> has been around
for a while for more than 11 years. During that time, it has nicely evolved
from a side hobby project to the very mature and successful alternative
language it is today, used by Fortune 500 companies throughout the world,
in various projects and contexts.
With 1.7 million downloads in 2012, 3 million in 2013, and well over 4
million in 2014 (definitive numbers still need to be calculated), Groovy is
leading the pack of the JVM language ecosystem, and continues seeing
positive growth.
There are many ideas the Groovy team wants to develop further, features we
want to bring to life, improvements we want to make, to keep Groovy always
ahead of the curve, to help you developers be productive on the JVM
platform. For that, we’ve been thankful for having had a handful of us able
to work full time on the project, and we’re looking forward continuing to
do so under a new umbrella.
The Groovy community has always been a key driver for the language,
providing feedback, bug reports, contributions big and small, and we hope
that you will help us find a solution to make Groovy shine as bright as
ever.
Of course, we’re going to continue to develop Groovy, open it to new
horizons like we did for the Android platform, implement new features, fix
bugs, increase performance, complete the new documentation, launch the new
website, and more. Your contributions will obviously be more than welcome
to sustain the project’s pace. We’re looking forward to working with you
all to push Groovy forward!
If your company is interested in discussing funding of the project, and
employing members of the Groovy team, please don’t hesitate to contact us
and keep on groovy’ing!
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Guillaume Laforge
Groovy Project Manager
Pivotal, Inc.
Blog: http://glaforge.appspot.com/
<https://plus.google.com/u/0/114130972232398734985/posts>
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